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Cops in Abandoned Places with Chamoisdead

This week on the No Tracers podcast I am recycling an episode from my other podcast Project Freelance, about freelancing. Chamo came on to share what he does as a freelance content creator and an urban explorer. He's explored all over Southern California and he's also helped me create some promos for my book, No Tracers. Chamo also has created a limited run of his book, which is sold out, but keep up with him on IG to get info about his new drops!

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And with that, we have an intro. Do you like the new intro? I think it's pretty great. It's also quite spooky and I like spooky and creepy things. So welcome to No Tracers. If you are just now joining us, if this is the first episode you're listening to please go back and listen to the previous episodes. There are tons of guests. There's tons of insight on how to get into urban exploration gear. You should have to have recommendations for shoes, backpacks, all kinds of cool stuff. Also, there's a bunch of links to gear that I think you could use as an urban Explorer down into the description. Amazon affiliate links, get your stuff from Amazon. There you go. Invest in Amazon, do all the things with Amazon. Thank you, Amazon.

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So this week on the podcast, I'm talking with, my friend Chamoisdead and Chamo and I go back to, I think, 2016, we met through mutual friends at a photography meetup, and we started talking about our love for exploring abandoned places. And we started to explore abandoned places together almost immediately. We've done quite a few explorations together and he actually helped film some of the promos for my No Tracers book. By the way, I have a book called No Tracers and urban explorers diary. And it's all about my stories and full of my photographs from my exploration. So if you do want a copy of that link will be down in the description, or you can go to NoTracers/shop over on

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You can also see my blog posts, which are basically more in depth stories of each of my explorations over the years. So if you want to check that out, No Tracers dot com. So I have another podcast actually called Project Freelance. And this episode was actually an episode of Project Freelance and it kind of sparked me to want to create a podcast about urban exploring and now I'm doing it. So I figured I should bring this episode over from Project Freelance to No Tracers. So without further ado, Chamo please introduce yourself. And what it is you do to the No Tracers audience.

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My name is Ian people call me Chamo. I am 24 years old. What do I do for a living? I work for bait. And what do you do for them? I do warehouse. I also do event photography for them, whether that's their parties or like their actual like cons that they participated, which his enemy expo wonder con comic con all that type of stuff. That's what I do. Yeah.

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And what about like freelance photography? Like model photography, stuff like that?

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Yeah, I do that to, so, so it's funny. Cause like the warehouse is my actual nine to five job and then my side job is the event and all that type of stuff that bait needs as well. And in the side side, stuff that I do is I actually do like the content creating and all that type of stuff. Kind of like what you do, but on a smaller level, I did it on a smaller level. So on sometimes work on music videos or beat a lot of BTS for products or promos or anything really. So yeah, it sounds really boring, but it's really not. I, I don't even know how to really explain it.

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Yeah. That's what I do as well to do about that type of stuff.

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Got you into photography. Like what inspired you to pick up a camera in the first

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Place? If this is a I'm going to just give it, so this was, this was like a high school. This was 2013. I'm going to save 14 to 2013. I had ex-girlfriend now it's on record, but like I broke up with her and she was like the best thing in my life, you know? So I was just fucking depressed. I was depressed as hell. And what happened was, is that like I was so depressed, I was just moping around about her, you know, and I just got to stop thinking about her. So everyone's like, Hey, why don't you just do something to do to take your mind off of her?

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And I was like, all right. You know, like, like what? So I tried a couple of things, you know, and I'll take, it's not really working. And in one time, and then I went to Oregon, I went to Oregon and this is one, but like Tumblr was super popular back in the day. So, you know, and over there in Oregon, everything's just nature. Everything was just beautiful. So still here I am in a car with my sister in the back of the car and I'm still moving around my ex-girlfriend and, and for some reason I just look outside and I'm like, wow, this is really nice. You know, I'm going to download this app called Visco or whatever. And this was on my phone and I told my sister, Hey, you know, why don't you just go stand over there and I'll take a picture of you.

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She was like, cool. And I don't know, I just edited that photo. And it's probably still on my Instagram to this day, but I was like, Hey, you know, this is really cool. I liked taking this photo. I liked to editing it. Maybe I can use to do it as a hobby and sure enough, you know, I just go do it now on my phone and ended up getting more serious until like me, like couple of months later about my first camera, which was a Nikon D 3,200. Yeah. This was like late 2013, early 2014. Yeah. So depression, I guess you could say really bad depression. Yeah. That's that's

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So photography, like got you out of your depression. Yeah. In

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A weird way. Yeah, it did. It made me forget about a lot of things actually made me forget about college and obviously heard that my ex-girlfriend and like a lot of this stuff that I was going through with my parents, all that, it made me forget that I was kind of alone also like in a weird way. Like I had this camera that I can just take pictures of anything I ever wanted to. And I was so busy and occupied with the next thing, like, okay, like I took a picture of this, to this car now to take a picture. This train are now this, like this, this flower, like little things here and there. And I was just so busy and occupied with that and editing that, like, I just,

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You just didn't have time to dwell on anything thinking about it. Anything else

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About, I mean also sad. Sure. But I think this was a good tool to like help process what happened, I guess, or like whatever I was trying to go through and just forget about whatever it is. I was trying to forget about it, but yeah. Yeah, that really helped me just forget about her and a lot of things and I just going with it.

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So for listeners Chama and I met at a photography meetup in Los Angeles, I

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Was like 20, 20 16, 16. Bryce was about three years. Yeah. Three years.

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So how did you find out about the meetups?

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How'd I find it. Oh, okay. So I had a friend whose name is Jake, shut up his ass G-code visuals. And we used to wear to church together. We used to go to church together and he was like, Hey, you know, I'm a photographer too. I'm a photographer too. I can teach you how to do some stuff. And I was like, look, whatever, you know, like I was like, whatever, like screw this guy or whatever, but like, yeah, yeah. Whatever, teach me whatever. And he taught me a lot of stuff, composition and all that. And, and you know, and I guess when I, when he thought I was ready, he was like, Hey, do you want to go to this photography meet? And I was like, yeah, but this is before I even had a camera. This was, I still had on my phone.

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And it was twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. It wasn't even his street meat. It was like just a photo. Me. And it was all you familiar with blue bottle cafe? No. Okay. It's just a cafe place, but they had their actual, I actually had a meet and it's right there next to the sixth street bridge will, what was once the sixth street bridge? I don't know. Blue bottles, their, but they just hosted to me. I went there to my iPhone five and

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Oh, I think I know it. I think I know the place it's like right around the corner. I know a place

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It's, you know, where they're like little warehouses for true religion is like, it's like right there. Okay. It's like right there. And they had to me and we went under the, under the bridge under the sixth street bridge and were just taking pictures and the end, those photos, you can also find on the bottom of my Instagram. And I was like, this is really cool. You know, like seeing all these people with their phones and just hanging out with each other and all that stuff. But not as straight to me though, it was like a hipster meet like this with the sun hats and the white dresses and stuff, you know? But it was cool though. I liked it. It was awesome. It was, this was late 2013 or early 2014 too. So I've been doing meats for about five years, five years, five or six years.

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How do you think that the meats have helped you develop as a photographer?

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Oh, Jesus dude. I guess once I started to get more serious about it, but my camera right, Nick on 3,200, started to go into these meats even more. And that's where you start picking up. So many things you started picking up. I started picking up how to do long expositions. And when long expositions you can shoot trains, you put your card, you can shoot lights, you can shoot steel wool. So I started doing that too. And I learned how to, to, to steel wool, I embarrassed to share it on myself. It was funny. I just, it really teaches you a lot. So these photo meets also kind of got a little bit competitive. So what a really taught me, which I really think off of these meats, his to set my settings really fast without even looking, without even looking like I knew my camera, that the back of my hand, you know what I mean?

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So it was just a rush. So, you know, you're shooting at the shooting at night. What can go on to Canada with a Nick on 3,200 S it ain't working. You know what I mean? So I had 35 with a 1.8, so shooting on and I was kind of hard, but I would really like the composition and holding your breath while shooting at like 20th of a second to 1.8 on what I saw. But you never want to go more than 600 on that. And the Nikon. And like, I call it a sniper shot. Cause like one of my mother's shoe, I just hold my breath and go click and then be like, okay, I got it.

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Like I pray to God, I had it. You know, I go home and edit it. Like, yes, I got it. So settings for sure was on one thing. And then knowing what I want it to shoot, because in the beginning you don't really know what you want

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To shoot me. I'm going to go just to figure it out, right. To take a picture of this tree,

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This mountain, whatever, you know. And then what I started to do was like, oh, I really want to like take pictures of people. And like the moment in these meats. And I want the craziest photo of the whole day, the fire and all that type of stuff. So it really helped me figure out what I wanted to shoot. And with that came an audience pretty much, or the supporters, the followers and all that type of stuff. So what I got from it was really just composition to settings and kind of what started my career. Pretty much all that type of stuff.

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So for you guys listening, the photo meets basically what it is. If you've ever seen like fast and furious, they kind of like text you location and time when you show up. But it's on Instagram. So it's like a little bit less crazy than like fast to various. But that, that's what I compare to when people are like, what are these photo meetups? I'm like, yeah, it's fast. Various. They send you the location, the date. And then the time of the day of, and you show up and there could be 20 people there, there could be 600 people there. You just don't know, oh, that'd be so sick. They did take C like

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This time to be here. Like, that's it like, oh, okay, come prepared. BYOV like, okay now, but yeah, it's pretty much like that. That's a good, that's a good way to put it. It's like, Hey, we're going to be here. Be here, be here. Don't be here. Yeah. I can't even tell you how many meets I've done. I've lost track of it. The first year. I probably did 70 to 70 alone. Well, this wasn't industry to me, this was like blue bottle. And like, this is really old group and I want it to give them a shout out too. And they were called all mediums, accepted, all mediums, et cetera, with these three guys. And they really just put on a show and one of the first ones, they kind of fell out though.

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But they started doing a lot of meats and they did like, oh no, they probably did like five or 10 of them. So I went to all of those and then blue bottle cafe meats. And then just like random people just started doing their own little meats. So it was like five people. And I was like, yeah, let's go. You know? And that was, that was really cool. That was really awesome. Good time. Sorry. I'm just like reminiscing a little bit here. Yeah.

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The meats have changed. Like they changed my life. Like,

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Did they tell you? Right. Totally. You grow

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So much as a photographer. Like, like what you were saying, like shooting, getting your settings faster and shooting in the moment faster. It just makes you a better like journalists, like documentary creator in that sense, you know? And that's like, that's totally my thing, which is why I think I vibe so much with the meetups. They're cool,

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Man. They're cool. His being there at school. Cause like, you're just surrounded with people that just love to do exactly what you do. You know what I mean? Sometimes you get the wrong one. Sometimes you get to know whatever, whatever every scene is going to be like that. But like there's really cool people out there. And I want to just say like, I want to say at least 80% of the people I talk to every day are like, are like really good friends that I've met at at meetups. Like, like I'm not just like, oh yeah, what's up dude. Like I don't even see, I see them at their houses. I've met their families, their sons or daughters. Like we hang out, like we hang out. You want to? I mean, so like the meats helped me grow as an individual too.

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Especially with the social anxiety, came back to like the whole depression thing in high school. I didn't even talk, like I just play video games, watch Netflix. I think that this was a thing back then. And then just like just, I don't, I didn't even talk, you know? And when I went to these meets, Jake would do most of the talking and he would, he would only speak Spanish. So like, it was really kind of hard, you know? And then just, it really just brought me out of my comfort zone. And once you get pushed out of your comfort zone, there's no going back. But yeah, you just know the original way and you could have his, like, it's a weird feeling. And you're like, oh no, I already talked to this guy. You know, I have to say hi. And you just say hi to one person, you meet the other guy. And then next thing you, you have thousands of followers and now you had to talk here to just like, oh, Hey, what's up.

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But you would develop a personality to totally, you know, and you find out things about yourself that you really just, you never thought you'd know. I guess it's crazy, crazy life.

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Yeah. I mean like we, you can say the same, but I mean, I've traveled around the country with all these people from these meetups, you know, like lifelong friendships from this stuff. Just because you have so much in common. I mean, you love photography. That's a huge part of our lives.

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Photography is an amazing part because like you see things differently now.

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Oh yeah. You totally see things differently. Everything looks like an opportunity,

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Like anything. And it was like a brick wall

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On that brick wall,

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But I can change the color of that. Yeah. I can put something on in front of it. Like it's anything, like I looked at a tree and I, the first off I see when I see a tree it's I can change the color of that tree. Like instead of green, it could be orange or red and I have a photo actually. Why change everything to red? It was really amazing, but it's just like, you can do anything you want really? It's just a matter of Lightroom. I don't use Photoshop. I really don't use, but it's hard. Right. It's difficult.

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Light rooms, very user-friendly and super easy to learn. I can't think in layers, I don't think

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In layers, I think of like just normal stuff. I guess you could say like a painting kind of painting pretty much. Yeah. And so yeah, the photography, you just see everything differently, even when you're watching movies or just like another photo, you know, I used to hate photography so much. S K I K going back to my ex, I went to her house. Right. And she had a picture of like this eight by 11 black and white tree. It was this just in a room, just chilling. And I was such an asshole and I was just like, you know what stupid, you know? And she's like, and I was like that photo.

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I hate photography legit. I'm trying to quote unquote what I said here. And I was like, I hate photography because like that photo, for example, you can take a picture, put a black and white and call it art or something like that. You know? And then she's like, you know, she was just trying to be nice to me, whatever, but I feel bad, you know, I always tell her that story. And then she was like, look at you now. And I'm like, I know, but like I used to hate photography now. I like it. I really do love it. It's it's amazing. And early pay, pay the pay, the paved pay pave paved. Sorry you pay the career path for me, for sure. Yeah.

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Who are some of the like local photographers that you looked up to when you were starting to God shoot more meets, do all this stuff. It was just like

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Just G really in the beginning, which was G like, it was just me and him from day one. He's my day one. So it was Josh and he taught me everything. I have to know. Like if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't even be where I am right now. I guess you could say. So it was G and that's it at that moment. But now like, if I want to say like, oh, like all the, like, they're really like, I think dope people around my area. Would it be Jake? My best friend, Josh mother, best friend. Her name is Michael. There's another guy named Menez. He's a really good photographer as well.

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He does like lifestyle stuff. I think that's like the only like local, cause we're out here, like my area. So there's not a lot of like photographers. And if there are, it's more like professional, like, oh, we do weddings. Yeah. Stuff like that. It's cool. You know, but I'm not really down with that, but for like street stuff. Yeah. It's only like us really that we represent the I E really over here. Yeah, for sure. So

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As far as these events go, that you're shooting. What is your process when you go in to these events? Like, what are you capturing? What are your, what are you like? What do you go into it with? Like, like mindset wise. It's a hell of anxiety. And

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You still get that. Totally. Always. It's

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Not as much now I feel way more confident. But if it's like a new gig or something, then yeah, for sure.

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Okay. For me, I don't know about you, but I get to have anxiety the day before, right? Oh, totally. Sometimes I can't even sleep like, okay, do I have everything done to have everything ready? You know? And then when I get to the place, I'm like, why would I so anxious? Like this was so easy. Like to have the mentality I get into first, I'll get this text or that email, like, Hey, you know, we want this one day. OK, cool. Whatever. And I have to have to make sure everything is ready. Camera's SD cards, everything, everything. What I really look for first, I just asked them, Hey, they didn't give me a list. Hey, what do you really need? What do you really want?

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Like, what do you need now? And type of stuff. And if they say, Hey, you know, just go for it. All right. I'm going to get the best shots. I think that are like, what you want to know what I mean from most events, this, this kind of how it is like, Hey, the person will be like, Hey, you know what? I trust you just, you have all access to anything you want to go for it to just do BTS. Cool. You know, and what I try to do is try to find moments where let's say a music video. I always try to find celebrities talking to other people. Or, or like when they're in a dance, move on to pose or smiling or laughing, like I would just try to capture that moment for other events kind of like just BTS or like promo and stuff.

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I mean, that's, that's pretty easy to it. It's not, it's really not that hard. I just kind of just take pictures of like, whatever the focusing is or whatever the product is or, or anything really.

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So you guys, you guys do a lot of product stuff.

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I do a lot of products off. Yeah. But lately I've been doing more of the music videos and shooting the rappers type of stuff. I feel like product is harder. No, I agree. I think it's harder.

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I think it's hard products. Yeah. Because they don't really do anything. You know, they don't do anything.

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It's kind of easy but hard sometimes. Okay. So I'll take a picture of like, let's say like this cup and it's easy. I'll just take a picture. Yeah. But I'm like, I overthink it like, oh, maybe I should like have it in this lighting or like this dramatic, like tilt or something. I don't know. Like I just kind of overthink it, but it's just really depends on the mind state really. I guess you can say, but in the beginning it's just a lot of anxiety. And at the end it's a lot of anxiety too. Cause it's just like, all right, do they want to, they want me to edit them and do they want to edit them? Should I edit the way I edit them such as to the black and white, it's just like, oh God, sometimes it's overthink it. But it's still fun though. I'll give you that. It's very fun.

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Very fun.

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So let's shift into talking about my favorite thing to talk about his abandoned places, which is what I do when I'm not freelancing, you know, came from me now. We just spent like four hours trying to get home from, I was so sat in traffic for literally two hours. My God, it was so far we went off roading. We went off in a Toyota Corolla.

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That was so sick, but it was so scary at the same time. We actually high-fived and it was really cool. It was great about Alberta and places. So yeah. So abandoned places. So I hadn't, at this point, I've had my Nikon 30 to 235 millimeters stock lens was like 18 to 55 or whatever. Well, here's the thing I had never even knew what abandoned place was. I knew what it is to kind of likes to see on a free ride.

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You didn't know that like exploring abandoned places was like a thing. I didn't even know that that was

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A thing, but I was like, people do this. That's weird. And so I had a friend named Jose shadow, Jose who also went to my church was why don't you, his friends and all that. We all knew each other. And he was like, he was like, Hey, you know, you're a photographer juice to photographer. Do you want to hang out? I was like, yeah, sure. What do you want to shoot? And he's like, there's this abandoned place around, around this area, you know, like probably 15 minutes from here. And he's like, do you want to go check it out? And I was like, abandoned plays. So I was like, I mean, I guess, I don't know, like whatever, you know, and this point I haven't even seen like abandoned places on like Instagram or flicker or 500 PX or anything. So I was like, all right, like whatever.

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Okay. Wasn't even nervous about trespassing, nothing about abandoned places. And then I went to that and I was like, you know, I was like, okay, this, this school, a lot of glass on broken things, you know? But like the weird thing was the first time I went to, I didn't take any pictures. Oh. I was just like, oh, this is kinda weird. But when I w but after that I came home and I was like, nah, I could have taken a sick picture here. You know, like I could have done something here. So I went back, I went back like, like the next week. And I just took a couple of pictures and I was like, oh, this, this, this is sick. This is cool. Like, you don't get to see this that often, you know?

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And like, you don't, you don't see abandoned places that often. And I was like, okay, this was cool. You know? And I just, and I kept going into that same band in place. I kept practicing there, like lights, composition, shadows. What about a lot of abandoned places are shadows and light. So you really asked to lighting. Yeah. And so it's really weird. So

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It's like, you get what you get photograph

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It. Yeah. Pretty much, you know, but I'm sure I'm still shooting JPEG. I don't even shoot. It is what you get to know. The colors are already in there. And I was like, oh, this is a cool, you know, when I started posting them and then I started getting a little bit of a detention from the local people, they were like, oh, you should have been in places. You should take me. And I was like, only no one. You know how to take a lot of people there. I took a lot of people, probably like 30 people there. We probably, we don't even talk anymore, but it's cool. But it took a lot of people there. And then I just kept getting better at it. I just got to go into the same place. And the cool thing about Bando was that every to three weeks new things would come up. Like, like now there's probably like a stripped down Beamer, stripped down, no wheels, no nothing.

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And there's like skating things in there, like ramps and stuff. So people skate in there and you get to a party in there. It's cool. So that was pretty much the gateway for sure was that was like abandoned that, that first abandoned building. And also like this one was a time where like, I was still like, you know, the whole depression thing when my ex-girlfriend and I felt like I was just really depressed. And in being in these abandoned buildings was like, Hey, you know, I really relate to these things. Cause like, they're just broken, you know, like,

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This is how I feel like this sounds really

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Like, so cliche and dumb, but I was like, I am just as broken on the inside as his abandoned building. Like it was, it's really sad. It's just really sad. Like it looked broken on the outside, look on the inside. It's cold. It's raw is just like destroy people to step on you all the time. People just come in and out of it. And I was just like, but not to me, like sexually out on my life, you know, like out of my life, he would just come in and out. And I was like thinking of every little detail. And I was like, yeah, I can, I really do. Just like, I compare myself to abandoned places a lot. I was like, yeah. Like I, it, which is one of the most like one-on-one connection I've ever had with anything in my life.

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Like not a tree, not a, not a rooftop. Like it was just a band in places like this. Like I, I literally said I was sleeping in abandoned. Like I was sleeping abando if I, if I could, if I wanted to know Airbnb, bring my sleeping bag and just like sleep in, abandoned off. I could. Yeah. So like that, which is so crazy. And now, you know, I've probably shot more than a hundred bandos. I've been caught. Like I've had a gunpoint on me maybe once or twice, but getting caught, like maybe like four or five times is not a lot. I'm pretty good at like sneaking around. I'm a skinny guy. So I'll always just like fit in like some weird, like, not door, but like hole in the wall or something and wait for the cop to go or something like that.

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Yeah. I've, I've, I've hit bandos only in California. Actually. I've only had been, was in California. Yeah. I hate traveling. It's only, I love traveling, but not on time. I don't do, I don't do plan. So I'm probably never going to hit like the Chicago or Chicago at bandos or whatever the M and a abandoned was or sick.

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So talking about some of the other places you've explored that are in Los Angeles that are, you know, are or were abandoned and you know, like the, the art you created and what came from that. Oh man, like the church,

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Just to say this first, I never hit that. Oh, gee jail to spot the jail when I never

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Hit that one. Yeah. I'd never hit that one. So maybe I will one

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Day. And you were telling me your story, every story I hear his just sketching. I'm like no things, some good. So the ones I have and God, I hope there's no cops listening, but if I say just like what they are and not the names is that cool. So I've had to hospitals, they're very close to each other. I don't want to say where really a, but if you're heard abando about an old guy or explore and you were on the LA area, you probably know they're probably like 10 stories high. You probably know what I'm talking about in LA. You can see from the freeway. And so I've hit those to, and man, there is so fun. Like I, would've never thought you can go inside there and just explore.

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And for people who don't really know what's inside check, checked us out. Okay. So I was with man, it was me. Do you know, raw file Sergio. Okay. And this was like 2015, you know, I'm hanging out with the big boys, you know what I mean? And we, on the night leader cycle, Rob cycle robs us three, maybe someone else I don't remember when you go to the first abandoned place, not the surgical room when the one, which was just like the beds and all that stuff. And the only way to get in on mind, you it's, it's it's like to a hospital also it's garden, obviously with cops, there's like four squad cars around.

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You can go to this, you can go to the front entrance more on the back or anything to what we had to do was we had to climb to the second or third floor from the outside. Like, not like, not like, it was like, it was not safe. First of all, like we got to a wall, had to get on a first level roof and to get to the second level we had to get on like some pipes that were like doing like Zs and ELs and the window was like broken into. So there was still glass shards around, like there was a glass shards on the floor. There was so glass on the window. Like there was no way I was on a punch the glass out on anything. So literally it was, it was a small window. Maybe like this, it was okay.

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I guess, I don't know how to go into measurements, but let's say it was about three or four feet tall or whatever, and those glass on it. So literally when you had to go in, you got to put your back pack in first and get into this window, like in the middle of the window, like where your belly is. There's a, there's a glass shards sticking out. So like, you have to do this weird, like dolphin, like thing into like a dolphin dive into in the window. And so that that's like one of the issues. And then when you go in, you know, it's just like dark and light. It's so cool because you get to see these surgical rooms and sorry that wanting to have a surgical room, it just had surgery tables.

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And there's like those two big lights on the top where, you know, they're doing surgery on you to just like illuminate your insides pretty much. And you walk around and there's just like emptiness and beds and graffiti and all types of stuff into morgue. Oh gosh. To more people who don't know the mortgage, like what they put the dead bodies and stuff that you see that you want to see bodies, you don't see bodies, you just see stuff like this blocker, lockers, that cream, it to all that type of stuff. Oh man. It's so funny. So I've done those to amend hospitals and I've done some that are not, they're not here anymore. So that one that we went to, I think that's like an abandoned textile mill or

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Something like that. Flea market at one point, something like that.

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That was cool. Cause it had the couch and chill in there. That was a pretty big place to sell is really cool. That's that's gone now. So ripped to that. Another one that's gone is his big warehouse. Oh, you would have loved it or maybe I did. No, I don't think I've taken you now. We only went to ballon. Yeah. And it was just like, it was amazing. It was just like an abandoned also like another like male or something or textile mill to, to, to floors. And I've been there like maybe 10 times with Isaac and John and moody and all these types of people. I actually filmed a documentary there, there was a documentary about me in their, but never came out. So we're up to that to I've actually like in that Bando with what I remember also is like just walking and then not knowing that there was a hole.

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So on my left foot, I went into a hole and I like, like, just like, I just fell to the floor. My body just like kinda caught me, but like I was bruised everywhere and like, yeah. So I've done that. I've done.

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I think falling to the floor is probably my biggest fear when I'm in abando.

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Oh, okay. Thank you. But not in LA, but I was, so I worked with this girl who I used to like kinda like kinda talk to me. It's really weird. I'm going to say names, but I hope she doesn't listen to this if you are just no, no, no, no, no. Shout out. No, I think she's talking to someone else. No, but whatever. If I went to the floor, we went to this, I don't want to say to the city either. It's like it's around here somewhere. It was an abandoned lets just say to school and abandoned school. And it was to stories. We went inside and I was on the top floor and the whole floor is like, just like a Bestos really?

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So you can't really see like any holes or cracks or anything or whatever, but you could see a little bit of indents look like it's raining kind of soggy soggy about this. So it's like, you know, like some floor, his like kind of like this week, I didn't think much of it. I was like, oh okay. Whatever, you know, like I'll just like, you know, make sure I step and like test it out. See if it's okay. Before I go. And it was cool. And I was like, all right, whatever. So I'm going in there and I only have a 20, 24 millimeter at this point, you know, I have to Canon and I liked to shoot really wide vertically, vertically horizontally. And, but I keep backing up. I keep backing it up into a wall. I'm on a second floor, literally my foot, my right foot steps back and just falls through the fucking roof.

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Like it just boom. And like, I just, I was like, oh my God. And like the only way I saved myself, I'm not going down was like my back hitting like this, like would support beam like on the ground for some reason, like, it was really weird. So like my back foot went down, my left foot kinda went down and I was like, halfway down, I was doing this weird. Like, you know, those, those commercials was like help. I can't get up. It will be well with the lifeline. It looked like that. And then the girl comes in like, oh my God, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I'm leaving like this, this go. And I just like left that room, dude.

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We got to talk about the dangers of bandos to actually cause like

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It's super important. It's not,

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It's not at all. All I can say. Yeah, I can take you to the easy one over there and it's not safe at all. Like, so I've done those bandos and honestly I'm kind of like blanking out right now, but I've done also like some small banjos, like some small warehouses and all that type of stuff.

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You went to that like original church on the Peter's church?

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No, not the original church. Didn't go to them all on either. 'cause at this point I was going to making a name for myself and not to be me in, but allow to LA people don't give out addresses even though you're kind of established just to kind of how it is. So I never got in there. I've seen pictures of it, but it went down so rip to that. But I went to the second church and I put a work on their church. Now work isn't tagging are to destroy anything at all. But I just, I was so like, oh my God, I'm the only person in the world who has that photo where nothing crazy and whatever, you know, but like I had my friend, her name was Lydia reborn and I put a white cloth on her, you know what I mean? And I was like, oh, you know, just stand between his pews, you know, in the bag has like the whole like, like steep.

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Well I guess you could say and all that type of stuff. And, and I took the picture, took a picture without her Photoshop, the legs out. And I called the holy spirit and as shit blew up to like two K likes to drink, like the reach was insane. And that's when, like I kinda established the name like this. Like people were like, oh, this guy he's, he's legit, you know on. So I went to that one too. I went there three times. The first two times were cool. When would Jake? Josh? I think and reborn, the third time I went with my homie, Tony shadow, Tony. And this was when like the pews were gone, like pews were gone. And before there was like fucking to in Spanish, we called the us in English.

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It's tight. It's like, when they give you like to get tight to the church, they're all over the floor. So there was money. Like just like we found like a dollar or something. It was cool. But all that was gone because I guess they were going to like demolish and Wallace shade or like rebuild their to something. So we went there and we said peace rip to that. So he went to that church to, everyone's been to sunken city, you know? And there's a band on near the Korean bell friendship. Everyone knows about Vincent those to Hawthorne mall. We went, well, I haven't been with you yet. Know we've

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Never been to one. We win one time. This security guard stopped off. He had

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To literally literally 10 seconds

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On the parking garage. He didn't even get in to the mall in the parking garage. That was so shitty. Dude. We were like trying to run and be like stealth. And he was like, Hey, we were like, well shit,

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I've been here three times too. It was cool. I love

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The Hawthorne mall, the hotter mall. And one of the hospitals in Los Angeles, my favorite places call

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From all his cool once you're in, no one bothers you. The security guard, security guard. Here's the thing about me. They just do not, they just do not care. Like they're not going to go inside. Like if they do, then they care too much about their jobs and they should go fuck themselves. Like honestly, and I'm just trying to, that's being asked me being nice, like this, like once you're in and it's like a huge, like for people who are not in LA, like it's huge. Like it's just think of your mall, your to floor mall. No, not even to shop name. It's not even the windows of the shops. It's just, there's no railing. There's no railing. It's legit two escalators, right? That obviously don't work bunch of wood and the floors not even done. Like, it's just, I don't even know how this should have standing still.

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Like it's crazy. It's just

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Holes in the ceiling. Holes in the floor

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And everyone was just everyone. There was cool. It was no like crack head. There was no crack

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Head. It's just like, there's this teenagers smoking pot.

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Yeah. This is like 12, 12 year old kids just like hanging out like, oh my God, I look a stick. And you're like, cool. Yeah, I'm in no danger whatsoever, but it's cool to just walk around. You could be there for like an hour or two. And I have taken some amazing pictures on there too. I did a trend photo. And after that everyone has started doing it. I was on the escalator and I just put my that's when, like when the feet pictures were

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In your shoes, in this picture and I'm on top of this and one of those

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Appreciating everyone and everyone stopped to me. Yeah. And I'd like to take a pic. Like I was on top of the escalator and I'm like sitting down, I take a picture of that. Like the whole, like whatever is the environment. It was cool, man. I just, this was like when I was doing banjos and I just want to like do trends and it hit, man. It really did hit. So I've done. I've done that mall too. I'm trying to remember more. Oh, that one with the couch, that one was just called us Lawson Bando. I remember that this Lawson couch Bando. That's what, that's what we called it. So that was that. And I would have to go into my Instagram to look for more of, but I've done more than like 50, a hundred banjos for sure.

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Like, wow. Yeah. I mean, if you want to count, like to re trips. Yeah. It's just like, but here's the thing though, man. I need to get out of California dude. Cause like man, oh, San Francisco, I've been in San Francisco to, and I did banjos there. Have you done? What did you hit their point where he says,

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Yeah, we did point re that's easy. Cause that's a tourist spot. So funny thing is I went to, I didn't know this isn't for everyone that doesn't nail point Reyes is like a shipwreck in San Francisco and it's literally a tourist spot. You can literally find it on Yelp. What's on Yelp. It has a review that has four stores.

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This funny. This was like, I'm like, I went to my best friend, Matt. I'm like, all right, man, if I don't come back out, come look for me in 10, 15 minutes. And he's like, all right, whatever. I'm like, I'm sneaking in, you know? And there's a whole, there's a whole negate. And I'm like, oh, I have to show like sneak in there on crouch. I'm just like, okay. Like fucking, just like go through here, make this run for it. You know? And I don't really run for it to kinda like sprint, you know, walk fast. And then like I get to this entrance and outcomes, a mom and three kids doing it like a fucking like pageant shoe or whatever. And I was, yeah, but I look a douche bag. Like what, what, what did I just do snuck into abando that like, some mom would taking pictures of her kids. I was like, Jesus, this is serious.

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Yeah. It's cool though. It's this big warehouse. It's a big, it's a big warehouse. And there was like a couple cars in there and like some tagging obviously. And there's like a little thing where you could go upstairs, like some stairs and a lot of type of stuff. And I still have some photos that I'm editing from that, but that was cool. And in digital, into the abandoned boats next door? No. Yeah. There's some abandoned bullets, like, okay. Point Ray, his right. Then you go to a water

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Shipwreck. Just the one though. There's like one or

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Two of them. When you can go on this. I went in there and I, and that's why I fucking to drop my phone and the whole fucking San Francisco birthday trip. I had no phone, but you can go on to those boats. And I just took some photos on there too. And I just put like a little, like a little like cost and pre pre pre set on it. And it was like, it was sick

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Photography awards for like the point ready to ship wreck, photo taken. Yeah. I haven't seen those yet. I haven't

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Seen your photos then we probably will. We weren't friends. Probably not. I

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Went in like 20. When did I go to 2018? Oh no. Oh 20. I go to San Francisco. All right. I think it was 2018 in the summer.

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I'm going to shut off biker backward. I go way back. I actually, to me, but yeah, so I've, I've done. Those band knows to, and obviously treasure island, you've done treasure island to write it to on treasure island. You know what it is? No, it's a legend in San Fran. They tore it down to about like, think of like us three, four stories, circular, Bando. Wow. And like, you can see the into, like if you're on top of you gets to the inside of me, it's just like a Coliseum type thing. But like super smaller, obviously like collect this cup. It was going to like, this would be like wider. Obviously. I'm like, yeah, it was sick. And I had this photo, I met this guy forgot his name. I think it was like team on me or something. So shout out to that guy, if he's still around or something, he S he showed me around or this picture was jumping and I had this like edited.

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Are you a foal? Like on the top off, like, I was just want to do something with bandos, you know? And I went with moody and Jay shout out them. And yeah, I went with them and it was just like a crazy thing to go to San Francisco and for bandos and stuff.

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What else have I done? Yeah. You got to get out of California for

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Sure. I need to get out of Cali, man. Like there's some sick ass Bando is out there. Like, okay, I'm going to give a shout out to everyone. Who's in like the east coast, like Mississippi and Pittsburgh, Chicago, Illinois, and dude, you all have this sick, his band. I go to, to come to California shirt, but like our banjos compare to them are not like, no, there's nothing. You guys have jails and everything like, oh my God, you know what else? The Malibu Bando the band on. Have you been to that one in the, to the, to mansions around this area? And I've never been, so we should go. Those are sick. Those were so I don't even know they're hot. They're hot.

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They're on the news. No, I'm good to that. No, one's gone really. Except for the crazy people, you know, who I actually saw there and I'm going to say rest in peace to her B word. Really? Yeah. I saw her. That was the first and last time I've ever made B where it's all I want to say. Shout out. Fantastic. 4 21. His name is sketchy Jones now, but, and B word, I forgot the other guy that he was John probably, but yeah, that was the first and last time I went there, I saw her, but yeah, that Malibu Bando was sick, man. It's just, I have so many memories on that one too. And the other one and yeah, I think that's pretty much it so far, but that I really remember.

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So do you mostly find your spots by word of mouth?

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And then at the beginning, I wasn't really impatient, mad kids. So like, I was like, why don't these people want to get me band to a locations? You know, like I fucking little fan to tear them down. So I used to have this thing on my own, you know, I could read, like, I don't want to say specifically, but I could read information on like how people edit their photos of like, where like the coordinates of where this much. So I would just be like, oh motherfucker, like, you don't want to tell me I got your photo right here. And I would just go, like, I would just go. Sometimes I have like a list of them, but I just didn't go. Cause I didn't really have a car at back in the day or excuse me, you know, friends to go with because the mountains are kind of like scary to go to so that no is long gone now.

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But I used to do that. And then, and then when I got established was one more word of mouth and, and Hey, you know, let's go to this, let's go to their, we want to say cool. You know, also I forgot, but I'm going to salt an area. And there's also like a bunch of banjos there too. But

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That's out in the middle of nowhere.

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If you go in the middle of nowhere, chances are Bando. For sure. Yeah. For sure. So like, yeah. Word of mouth. And then now it's kinda like, people just kinda like say, Hey, have you been here? And it's just like, nah, man, you know, like I'm busy now, dude. But to you in the beginning it was just like, no one is going to tell me analysis. Like I just like, you want to give it to the Audi or not. Alright, cool. Cool. Yeah.

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So for me, like the cool thing about abandoned buildings and like one of the most unique aspects of it for me is that it's one of the last places we have in this country slash in the world. Cause I explore internationally as well. You know, I explore

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Everywhere. I'm so jealous, but there's,

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It's like the one place where there's no nobody's watching you. There's no surveillance. No like there's no cameras. Like you're not being monitored by the government or anybody. No. Well only if there's, unless there's alarms

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And that's where I kind of go back and I forgot to say that I also do this. Can I go back real quick? Yeah, I did this hospital, but I told you the story on this. Cause we did on our podcast or you did on my podcast mom's garage plan. Oh, thank you. Appreciate it. And yeah, we did it. I did a hospital to, and yeah, sure. There isn't any government interference, like they're watching you really, but take in mind, this was one of the dangers of bandos that there's like one at a 10, like that Banno probably has an alarm. Like if you're in Cali, if you're like in east coast, it's like three out of 10, two at a time. But like over here, it's like one at a 10.5 out of 10 and this one just had to have like three alarms dude.

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And we should've just walked away while we had a chance because the alarm was already going off when we parked our car. So could, these are like these two tigers on the wall, like tagging already. We were like, what's that noise stopped? And we were like, oh, okay, whatever. We ended up paying this mall. And I was with like three, four guys. And it looks like Josh 20 to 77 dad and some other guy forgot. We get into it. We were walking around his band to like how they got in, how do we get in? You know, we had to go to this window and we got into that to the window, took about 20 minutes to find that entrance, go in to the window, to shoot a couple of things.

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It was kind of boring really. And then we go to the, down to the first floor and I'm like second or third in the line following this guy. He goes <inaudible> and he just starts to, we all stop. And literally like two seconds later, all you hear his voice, like just like the alarm. And we're like, oh shit, we got to go. I get to see, we run all the way back up. And we get out of that window. We run to our car and we'd just wait. And when we just have to go off and we're like, oh no, Cops, that's cool. You know what I mean? This does go back again. And till we go on there again and we don't trip that alarm, we go somewhere else. And we go to this hallway, we all obviously trip to alarm again.

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And owner, I was in the hallway taking a picture of the hallway. I was so scared out of my mind. I didn't want to, I did not want to leave that area. And so what happened was that there was to do was one hospital and there was a bridge that connected to the other part of the hospital. So I was on that part. My homie's went into the second part. I knew that John will come on. I was like, nah, I don't want to go. You know? And they tripped the alarm and I was like, oh shit. But literally 10 seconds later, the alarm stopped like to actual like alarm S not actual alarm, but the noise, because they want to say this, but they're not going to know who it is anyways, but <inaudible> hospital. But they took out the actual alarm that were making the noise and they cut the wires off.

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Like they pulled them down and the wires slouched all three of them. And I was like, oh my God, you sons of bitches. Like, that's crazy. So we just, but the only the sound was off, but the actual alarm was still probably going. It's still going. This alarm has probably been going off five times over the past, like two hours.

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So the people that are getting the notification are probably like, there's probably nothing. And there's probably a raccoon running around inside the fucking band or a cracker or something, whatever, you know, and we

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Were doing our thing, you know, we were taking photos and is an amazing, like, it's just, it's sick, no surgical room to really know like crazy like surgery rooms, but it's sick. And then we get to the end, like the last, like literally like the last four minutes. And we're just walking around this hallway, we're walking this hallway, probably like 20 doors down. It's pretty deep, you know? And we're just chilling. You know, his, all four of us were just going into every room, looks the same, whatever. And how do I explain this? How do I explain this hallway? It's just imagine a hallway. It's brown because of the lighting inside or like orange and every S every side to Ryan Love side has 10 doors on each, maybe 20, whatever, where we're walking, we're opening each store or whatever, blah, blah, blah.

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And we hear footsteps that are really loud, like, and loud, and it's not ours. So we stop walking and we look at each other and there's someone walking. We're like, oh fuck. You know, and the hairs on my back are like, Ray's like goosebumps and it's a cop. And he all, he here, all I all, I literally hear his, his, whatever, something city PD I get on the floor right now, blah, blah, blah, like surrender. And we S we looked at each other and like, telepathically, like we said, the words on, you know, that song and we just booked it down the fucking hallway. Like, like, if I can just go, we'll go home and go to dinner a little bit, a little bit about the cops.

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You know what I mean? And we got to this and we got to the S and end, w which should have been an exit, like push this exit alarm will sound, it was chained up taped. Like there's no way there was literally no way you can not get through that. The door on our left was also the same thing. You cannot go in to do on our right then to have anything. It just, we, I literally read push here for me. And I just kicked that shit open. Like I just kicked it open. Like I do not care right now. And we went to this room and the other exit door, it was pretty dark, but the other exit door for that room was like blue laminated tape or some shit. I didn't care. I just kicked that shit to me. I didn't kick out to like, hold bulldozer. That shit down.

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We ended up in this back lot, like parking lot. And, and our next, like, our next thing is like, oh, now there's eight, nine foot gates that curve inside. So you can't even like,

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Jump out these black pole gates.

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You can't even climb. You can't, you can't do anything. And we're looking around. I'm like, oh, shit, shit. They get close to the fucking gate. And I looked back to the entrance of where we entered and there's two or three squad cars. Like, not just like the little Dodgers, like actual like sedans, like the four door, you know, like maybe K9, I don't know. But like, and I was like, oh my God, I'm going to die here. Like this, this, this is like, where my career and this new, I go to jail. I am done. And I found this whole, like this, these two bars won was like, just slammed it to the right a little bit. So I was like, someone obviously tried to get in and out there. And we just took our back to exhaust, slid in there and just ran to our car, my car and booked it. And then we stopped at a gas station and just like how to process, which we ran away from Cops like, oh my God.

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And it's

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Like, one of the things like fight or flight is like a real thing when it comes to that. Because, well, first of all, you don't like, you may hear like, whatever, whatever PD, but you just hear, there's a fucking stranger in here. I don't know who this is. It's a dark place. I got to get the fuck out because you know what? They have a gun with a Samaritan needle. I don't know. They could have a sore for all like numb chucks. I need to get the fuck out. You know what I mean? Like I need

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To get out so scary. And if you don't know what flight or fight or flight is, it's kind of like when your survival instincts kick in, or some people run to the fuck away and usually you run the fuck away. You know what I mean? So I'm not going to fight. No one is going to fight off. I'm going to find it again. And so, yeah, and that happened. And we just, and literally, I looked at all those guys and I was like, I am never shooting with any of you motherfucking again. And guess what? It's true. I have no shot with those motherfuckers ever. None of that the way, but like, we're cool. Oh my God. Yeah. I'm sorry. What was the question?

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Not being, not having surveillance or anything like that. Yeah.

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So for the most part, all of them, you know, you can put this like alarm silence, alarms, things like that. I'm going to have security guards, but they don't go in. They don't go inside.

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They don't, they don't, they don't want to risk their safety to go inside and see who the fuck's in there.

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No, there is no way. Unless like, cause that Hawthorne mall is used a lot for movie sets. So, okay. Like obviously I don't want to even, I don't want to ruin their set. You know what I mean? So it's like, okay, I'll just not really. You got to take a picture of this set, what they're but like this, okay, I'm going to touch it. But you know, it is what it is. And if they kick you out, they're not going to arrest you. Officers security guards have no power to even have to tell you, Hey, stop. No, you don't have to like, you are not the law. Like, no, you can just literally run away from them, which I don't really give a fuck about. But cops, I know let's talk about to dangerous. Yeah.

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That's talk about it. We should talk about wages, abandon what should be number one. First of all, don't ever go by yourself. Oh, don't ever go by yourself. Especially if you're a girl, especially if you're on, like I literally was texting Chamo the other day to see if he is free today to go explore some bandos because I just had a photography book. Come out. Yo, shout out. You guys can go get my book. Just letter No Tracers. That's on the new book. Thank you, man. My first photo book. So I was trying to see like, if he was free, I was hitting up a couple of people because you know, there's a couple of people I explore with and I wanted to see you as free and you were free and you were like, oh, I don't know. Like if I really want to go. And I was like, okay, well I can't go by myself.

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I'm a girl. That's where I felt sorry to grow. Like you're, you're responsible for me now. You can even see my, which was, I was like, yeah, no, not to like, hold that card. But it's a fucking thing, man. Like, I don't want to go into an abandoned building by myself and get, yeah. But it's true or killed whatever it, or even wanting to know on your bleeding. If you break your leg, if you fall off a thing, fall through a floor and there's nobody with you like, oh yeah, no, you're done. You're done for well, you're good. No worries.

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Sorry about that. But yeah. Yeah dude. And I think that's number one is don't go by yourself. I don't care if you're a macho, you know, fortunate vinegar back in the nineties guy or like, or whatever, really like just don't go by yourself because you never know what could happen. I've had crackers in my face. I've had ups, sorry to knives. Soars imagined I had knives, guns, talk to cops, security guards, falling to floors almost. I'd never set on a nail, but I've had shards of glass with shards. I cut me off to, you know, it's just, you never know. That's that's number one. You like, you really have to like, just never go by yourself. I've done it. But sometimes I've gone pretty lucky, you know, but never go by yourself.

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I think that's like number one.

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And I think the thought process is different between a guy and a girl wanting to do this kind of stuff. Because I mean like innocence, cause I mean, you're not thinking like, oh, I might get raped if I go to this place. I mean, I could get re you totally don't want it to, you know, cause this crazy people out there. Yeah. But I'm sure that's not like the first thought on your mind when you're like four,

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It's just getting caught. Cause think about this. But if you drive an hour or two and you get caught, it's like to list to a point, then <inaudible> About 10, eight or whatever it is. But that's just me. But yeah, I think that's number one, number two. And I did this today. Don't fucking wear shorts. Like

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Please don't like really just don't

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Lie. Don't don't don't unless it's like abandoned, like I could probably take you over there. Like the one in my area it's super like nice. There's something on the floor, you know? Totally fine. Sure. Why not? But like today was like 95 degrees

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And it was so fricking hot, hot, but I wish I would have worn pants

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Because I think something like beat me and I was kind of itching for a while to, and I was like, oh God

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Could have been a plant. You walked past and just brushed up against this in the desert. You have those tumbleweeds. You don't want it to something bad. And I was like, shit, man. There was tumbleweeds end the Bando. Yeah. And then when we, when I, when

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I jumped out that I jumped out of a window in the second floor, but like the last band on the third one, we went to me, I jumped off on that piece of glass,

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Went crazy. I was like,

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Oh shit. I wish I could've been like really serious, you know, or anything like little small things there don't wear shorts man. And just wear like pants. Like I know, I don't know. What's hot roll or girl, you know, like it's hot or some blue jeans, you know, leggings. I don't care to something that like, if something brushes on you, you're not going to like die. You know what I mean? Exactly. And that's number two, number three, the dangers

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Or just notes. Bring water, bring waters. Hell important. People. People don't think about that. Yeah.

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People don't like, oh, I'm going to do this like an hour. And it's not like you just walk in like, like a fucking malt or just opens, know you have to go into somewhere, go on to a gay or something. So bring, cause I remember I was like, oh yeah, I'm bringing water. Only brought to you to like bring more. And I was like, oh yeah, definitely is going to be hot. So he's got like four or five waters, sodas and all that. Bring some, don't bring like a five course dinner. Just bring like some snacks, you know, like some Ritz crackers or something

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With like bringing snacks and stuff. Like what happens if the cops show up and you have to hide in there for five hours? Oh, you're going to be fucking hungry. Yeah. I heard

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Stories where like, people like I am dying. Like I was there for like put my camel. Have you heard of him? My camel? No, he's an OJI. Fantastic. Four to four 20. And they just had stories on like, yeah man. Like I heard it from the cops for like five hours until they fucking laughed. And like I was starving and thirsty and all I had was like some Ritz crackers and like half a bottle of water. And I was like, dude, that's better than like having nothing at all. You know what I mean? Like you could have fucking died. So he had to bring that too. Also what I forgot to bring today at hand sanitizer. Yeah. I

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Didn't there and the whole time, you're just like, you want to take a pice? And I was like, he is going to touch his Dick dirty ass. You're touching like railings and dirty stuff. There's no like bring clothes to handles. Yeah, we didn't do that either today. We, but it was, it was really hot. So like I can tell everyone that to me, I took a piss in the Bando. I have to pee. You got to pee, go

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Holding your camera and touching like a best his and wood and metal and yourself and food. And this you've got to bring hand sanitizer for sure. Gloves. Yeah. You could definitely do that to that's another one. Also just watch out for crappies, man. I know the east coast. I know my east coast people y'all carry straps with, to you. Like on my homeys are strapped. You feel me? And that's a normal thing. I'm scared, man. I really don't because I can't do that. But like over here,

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The responsibility for me to, to have a gun. Cause if you

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Could call with that and you got to license this to say, you know what, you're going to jail. He was going to go, especially in California,

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They don't fuck around with that. Or they'll just shoot you

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Or they'll shoot you. This conference has triggered no one's business, but I want to say, bring protection. Like maybe just a knife, but not a butterfly knife. That's obviously illegal. Bring, bring like a pocket knife or something where you know, it's easily accessible, but it also won't kill you if you fall on it wrong or something like that. I don't know. I've never really brought anything. I have like my tripods and I was just like smash or these fists is going to know me. I'm really skinny. If no one knows me, I'm really skinny. But I think that's one of those two. And then, you know, just put the cops, you know, if you, if you do get, if you get caught by security guard, look, you can talk your way out of it. Like

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Totally. You can totally do not care for it. Be like, especially, especially if you're a photographer and you're not tagging and you're not defacing property fucking up and you're not doing literally what you say like, Hey man, I'm a photographer taking

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Pictures. I can show you, you know? And just do that. You know what I mean? Even for cops just be like, Hey, you know what? I'm not. If they let you talk, I'm not Italian. I'm not a gang member. I'm just a photographer. I've been doing this. I don't say this. Don't be like, oh, I've been doing it for like five years. I never got caught. This would be like, Hey, you know, I'm just to beginner. Just, I just thought this was cool. You know? And sometimes you could get away with it with a cop. Sometimes they're going to call for backup or whatever. But I've never been like charged. Like I never been charged like yeah, knock on wood. For sure. Like, I've never been charged. I've never, I had been detained, but that's not abandoned a thing

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That was for a photo. Me. Does that mean?

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But for banjos, definitely. Like if you get caught, look one out of 10, they'll let, and they'll let you keep shooting maybe for like a limited amount of time on that. Okay. You have about an hour to get a cool cop. Like, like rarely, but he's like the coolest thing ever like, okay, like, go

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Ahead. Yeah. I mean, I've had cops tell me, like you can go in, but if another cop sees you, I can't help you if you're on your own, which is cool. I don't know you. Yeah. And

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That's cool. Like whatever, you know, respect. Exactly. We don't like cops, but still like whatever. But if they tell you to leave just to fucking leave you like, honestly it's not worth, it's not like it's not worth the risk of getting caught and I'm going to jail and having that on your record or misdemeanor or whatever. So for sure, I think that's really all the dangers. I want to say other than like watch out for needles, go to some drug addicts there, which out for the crack EAs. Oh, another Bando hit the Downy,

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Danny and <inaudible>

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So that girl who likes me, whatever. Well, I don't know. I don't want to talk about that. But yeah. Would that grow to with her was the cat lady be

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Careful, which I thought the cat lady

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And she was like, oh, don't talk to her. She's a snitch. And I was like, oh shit. And she explained to me this story

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And when we explained the story to the cat, so the

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Cat lady just obviously just lives there, you know? And she has cats, but she has to deal with the cops. She can live there as long as she wants, as long as she helps out the cops with the intruders and the trespassers from pretty much. So she gets like, none like a bonus. She just gets to live there. You know what I mean? And she's included from everyone and, but she catches you. You're done. Like that's literally it. And just be careful with all that type of stuff, man. Just know where you're going. You know, let's talk about energy

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In bandos energy. Like, you know, we were in that band and today I'm not feeling we shouldn't go this way. What is that? Like? What is that about certain places we go in this band, like Downy and St. Asylum. I felt it there. I felt it today. I felt

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That den today. Oh, we got this weird because

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We both literally at the same time you were like, I was like, same time we like walked into it. It's it's that

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Feeling? Something SuperNet. You feel like some new supernatural is looking at you. Like someone's

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Like in the darkness, somebody watching you have you ever, and I'm

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Not even talking to cam talking to anyone here, like when you're sleeping, you just feel like someone is staring at you, you know? And so we're walking to this band on it, which by the way I've been here 25 times, probably like it's, it's a no brainer. I know that place like kind of like the back of my hand. So I'm going to have group messages to here, but I'm going down to his heart and I'm like, okay, cool, cool, cool. All of then suddenly I get this like adrenaline shock to the back to my bag and I'm just, and it kind of goes like went to a wave. Yeah. Yeah. It's in closing. And I felt like I looked back and he will like, he looked on the floor and you were like, you're like, oh. And I was like, are you going on a weird feeling? And you're like, yeah, I don't like this to get the fuck out of here. Cause I have not doing this shit.

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There's things I'll do. Like, I'll do a lot. But like if I get that feeling and I don't have a knife or a cross and holy water, I am not going. Cause we were

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In a dark hall. We were in a dark hole, literally in

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Front of us, which has darkness. There was no. And

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To the left side of us was another dark hallway. Literally paid, not dark, like literally pitch black. And it's funny cause there's like, there's light in there, the light, but not in these like sections and they clash so hard. Yeah. I'm feeling it right now actually. But yeah, like just thinking about this, I

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Was just like, oh no, like something is going to happen. Like some like omen, I don't know,

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Demons or those will come home with you like to part three is going to come out like right now, weird man. Like if you don't believe in that kind of stuff, like I'm telling you it's out there, you believe in it. I told me I grew up with it. I grew up with my, my grandparents owned a old plantation house and there were like three ghosts. There was a little girl that would run up and down the hallway and like, yeah dude. Yeah. So, I mean, I grew up with like the supernatural, but like you can really feel it in some of these different places that you go into, for sure.

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You just feel it, dude. Like, I'm glad you could feel it before you actually see it. That's

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Me. Yeah. I mean, that's the greatest if only every danger was like that

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Seriously, but look, there's some people who are like, no man, it's cool. It's cool. Like, I dunno, man. I'm really kinda like 50 50 on those type of people. But if I send something that there's like an immediate danger, for sure. Especially with a woman, I'm like, I'm out. Like I'm not going to do this either when you feel me. So yeah. I've done that even in the hospital, you know? Cause there's people have died there to do like, like you're walking in history. That's another cool thing about banners. You're walking to history, but sometimes it's not a good history. Sometimes people ghosts are just like looking at you. Probably like, Hey, like you're just, you're disrupting me trying to sleep on like do the same thing for the next eternity. You know? So it's like, all right, my bad, you know?

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But like I just get that feeling too. Like you're in a surgery room. Like I was in one of the more like, it just felt to me. I was just like, I was like, I almost cried too. Like as a guy, I was just like, do I need to do to get the fuck out? It's overwhelming. It's like, not just like adrenaline goal, like, oh, I've got to run. Like you it's like, it's like it. Like, what do you even do to a ghost? You can't hit a ghost. Like whatever, you know? Like, and I remember walking back from that from, from the hallway we were at that Bando and I kept looking back. I was like, I swear to God, I see a fucking twins or like something like, I'm running like seriously, but knock on wood. You don't have to have a cell.

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But like I think I watched to any movies sometimes. But yeah, that energy is just

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Crazy. Cause like to reaffirm that it's so real his like literally we felt at this time we walked it. We like walked past a threshold. Yeah. You felt that right. Like we, we walked, we walked into another dimension. Dude literally locked down to the fourth dimension. Hopefully we totally walked back out. I felt it when we walked out, it's crazy, dude. Like even the hair was on your legs will go straight up. And this is,

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This, this one, this is not even a Kelly thing. It's like everywhere. Like banjos everywhere. Not even bandos talking about banners, like sketchy places like that. It's people know what we're talking about.

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If you've experienced it, you know exactly what we're talking about. And I mean, I've been in, I've been in places that are like re have really fucked up history, been to like a boys prison where they like abused all the boys and shit like really like really fucked up shit has happened in some of these places, you know? But like, so let me ask you, let's wrap this up a little bit. What is something, you know, now that you wish you knew when you started photography?

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Oh, geez. Something I wish I knew before when I started to photography

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Or exploring bandos either.

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Honestly just have people you trust because I have shine people, which on people, I have Sean with people who are like kind of iffy and you know, my intentions were right. You know, so I don't really share with them. They put my, put me in danger or my friends or whatever. So she'll have people that you trust and oh man, I don't know because I can talk about like the networking or like the bandos or just photography in general. But I guess we just want to talk about bandos just to go with people you trust for sure. And make sure your research to place. It might be excited and be like, oh yeah, I found this new, like a prison let's go to your home is like, yeah, this has go. And it's this like it's not open or does it just a bunch of drug addicts.

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They're like this cops everywhere, you know? And they arrest you before you even begin to, to building. So just re do your research, go with people you trust.

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And for research guys, you can even go on forums or even Instagram. There's like, Youi, there's Atlas, Obscura. There's there's people out there that are writing about this stuff, you know? Cause even Facebook groups. Oh yeah. There's tons of, I'm a part of a ton of like urbex

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Facebook groups. Yes. Same do that. You know? And it's not a competition. Like I think a lot of the people in the band on community like make it like it's a competition, like, oh this is my band on, this was my band. Not really, you know, even if your name, his taxes on it kind of shitty, like it's not, it's not your band-aid, you know, like every Bando is private property. Don't trash it, you know what I mean? Like it's beautiful in their own way. And if you don't think they're beautiful lookup, aerobics, photographers who are on Instagram and just on, like, they have their own websites, they make them very beautiful. So don't trash them know what you're doing, where you're going at all times to be nice and courteous, you know, not a competition.

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It's all for fun. 20 times out of 20, 20 times out of 21 time, you're not getting paid for this shit. Let's me. Like, it's a very small percentage that you're getting paid for. This is just for fun. Be safe and just, you know, just have fun with it on

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Us. And then one thing we totally forgot to say, we just glossed over his, the nostalgia texts.

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Oh shoo, how much time do you got me? We got to act. So for those, I think that's how I kind of started. The name was Masonic text in this also kind of egos back to the beginning when I was super depressed about my ex and, and you know, family, family was not helping, you know, so for me not to like, but I'd be like, oh my God, look at me. I'm like totally mental awareness, nothing I've been depressants. I was like, fucking nine for sure. Eight or nine, because you know, the way I live and all that type of stuff, so blah, blah, blah, whatever. So, so in high school it got really bad cause you know, the breakup and, and my family and my friends and all that type of stuff.

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And I'm kind of the guy like I've noticed this even before I even have a cell phone, I don't really talk to people. I don't contact them. I don't text them. I'm better at it now, but like, I don't do anything. So like I was very to myself. And so I couldn't really talk to anyone about my depression. You know, my friends were kind of like annoyed and my mom and dad don't care. They're Hispanic, I'm Hispanic. They're Mexican. Like depression is not a thing to them. You know? They're like, oh yeah, you're depressed. Why don't you go fucking sweep to give you, keep yourself busy? You know, she was like that type of stuff. My sister was super young, so I couldn't talk to her obviously. So I had no one and as an art and you always kind of like an artist guy, just the way I kind of thought it was so, and just telling people, Hey, I'm sad and I'm depressed and I need help.

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Wasn't even cutting it to anyone anymore. It was just like, oh, like they would just talk over me or like gave me in trouble, you know, like, oh, that's your fault, blah, blah, blah. And it's just like, all right, well, you know, that's cool, you know, whatever. And I just kinda went to stop talking. So I also looked back in the day when Tumblr was poppin, I would see like these really moody forests, you know? And I was like, yeah, you know, it just makes me feel something, you know, makes me feel sad. But like in a good way, I feel good, you know, but I was like, what is what's missing here? And I specifically remember the images burned into my head. It was just like, obviously some green trees. And it was like, missed like, like what do you call that? Mist or fog. Yeah. Thank you. Like fog. And it's this like super, like, kinda like a zombie apocalypse type thing, you know?

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And I was like, dude, this is so good about what's missing. And I was like, like words, you know, like where's this, these words. So I got that image and I went to Photoshop, I'd put some words to it, into like, I'm sad, you know, some bullshit. And I was like, yeah, this makes me feel even better. You know, you want to like super shitty pixelated JPEG and like some words on it. And I was like, no, but that has to be something better. You know? Like I I'm sure people have done this before. So, and I took a contemporary class in college and I got an A-plus show was a love. That's how I knew I was an artist who was like, just A's B's C's on everything else. And like, A's like on an art, contemporary art, art history. And like, I was like, what is this need something that like, I can break the rules.

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And like, I can relate to everyone. And I was like, oh, a fucking post-it note. I was like, no, that's not going to fucking work either. And I kept thinking about it. I was like, I got a text message from like someone. She was like really sad. And I was like, oh, oh, oh shit. Oh, oh, you know? And I was like, okay, how do I crop this out? You know what I mean? But the first text message wasn't even hurt. The first neurologist said it wasn't her. I made it up. I made up the first text message. And I've said that before everything else is like, I think the first to our favor and everything else, his real, the first text message said, if you, if you pay attention, if you only pay, what was it was if you paid attention to me, you'd fall in love with me.

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You know what I mean? And now this, because I was singing about my ex like, oh, if you pay attention to me to do a fall, you'd be in love with me. You know? So I started making text messages to like relate to everyone without talking to anyone, like physically, like the way we're talking, like I'm going to, I'm going to like, here is this cup, you know, let's say it makes you sad. You know? And people look at it and you're like, wow, what the fuck? Like, why did you just get me this thing? Why did you get me? I wasn't expecting this. It's like, yeah. Well, you know, I wasn't expecting a lot of answers that I got when I was a kid. So I started to do that. And that photo was like, the background was like a mountain that I shot right here in Mount Baldy. You know, like it was nothing special. That was my first made up one and I posted it and I posted it on my S my, the first account I have now, actually it's still on there, I think.

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And it got mixed reviews. I got, I got unfollowed, I got it on to followed by some people, because they were like, just tired of my shit.

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And they were like, this kid, won't shut up

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On this fucking depression. You want to

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Get new friends. Wanted to go ahead. Look at me now. Right. I party with celebrities now.

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And then, so I've got on followed so on. And if some people were like, this, this is really good. You know, like this to school. And every really calms it bag. I was like, oh, cool, thanks. You know, I just do my own thing and I just kept doing it. And I kept doing it until like, and I really helped out, helped me out on my depression. It was like, it was like almost as I was talking to my art, like, this is how I feel. I'm going to do this to you. And you're going to like it, like in a really mean way. And I put it out and then people were just like, oh shit. And then people started asking me like, are these real, or are these real? And I was the second to second one I've done. And I was like, no, like they're not, but I'm going to start making them real. And then I just started taking all these text messages throughout my life.

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Ones that I physically had, or could remember a hundred percent real. Like I'm going to put this person on blast and I don't give a shit like, cause, cause when you're depressed, you have nothing to lose anymore.

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So true. And not to let the end of your rope, if you and not to like

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Go on a tangent. But like I tried to kill myself like five times already. You know what I mean? So like drugs and I've been to hospital to, I don't want it to, I'll tell you later, like, which one? But I've been institutionalized too. So like, I was just like, I had nothing to lose anymore. So I was like, alright, I'm going to keep putting these messages on top of pictures. Cause that's what I'm going to fucking do. So just keep doing that and then sure enough, I don't even, I think I'm probably on my hundredth one. It's not a lot. I don't do them every week or every day, you know, I've been doing them kind of less and less now off nowadays, but I just kept probably because

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You're less and less depressed these days. I've been good. Yeah.

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Which really thank you. I've been really better, but that literally in a weird way, not in a, on an international and I even, I don't know how to explain it, but it blew up like, like I can remember the top ones that like blew up and I don't know. I wasn't even thinking about money. I wasn't thinking about anyone else's feelings or anyone. Like, I still get text messages from this to this day. Like, Hey, are you going to take that down now that like me, can you take this out? Can you take that down? Like I will Sue you. And I'm like, no, like try it. Like my dad knows lawyers like fucking try it. You know what I mean? And it's just like,

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It's the most funniest and you're not like putting these people's names out there. You're just putting the texts. So nobody knows except for you and them.

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I made a, but the second book I've made a third one. I forgot now I actually fuck this girl. And I were, I don't want it to say, let's just say we have, this is a messing around, you know? And I really liked her, but she wouldn't text me back and she was go see me. And so I got mad, you know, and I just like unfollowed her. And she was like, oh my God, really now, whatever, blah, blah, blah. She ended up deciding me. She was a fan. Let's just say she was a fan. And so she made her own before she like went to California to come meet me or whatever. And she does to me on my own, like the way I do stuff like this, she did it on this all to text about me.

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Wow. And people will like DMD me. They're like, oh, this, this you did, you do this. And I was like, that's to me, she's like an endo. Like, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? And I was like, no, nothing. You know? Like, like whatever, I don't care about her. You know? And obviously I, even to this day, I don't, I don't fucking care about you if you're listening to this. But am I knew on the latest book, I ended up putting her name on a text like this time, everyone else I'll like, if there's a name, I'll crop it out. Or I was like squirrels or whatever, you know what, as a matter, or like even like edit it out. But like for her, I was like, no, I'm going to fucking say this. And if you want to see it, you're gonna have to fucking buy it. Or I don't give a fuck about you dude. So I would say it on the podcast, but I don't want to say it's your podcast and I respect to unify your podcast app.

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But yeah, she's the only one that I like put a, put a name on everyone else though is like, I'll post it. And then they'll be, they'll text me or like something with DME, they'll be like, Hey, can you like, not like this, can you not to do this? Or that wasn't even true, but was just like, yeah, I have like the actual text message. So it was true. So that really helped me out to become the artist I am today. And to really just learn Photoshop as well. And I think the thing about depression and all that is like, you just have to keep talking about it and a weird way you kind of get numb about it. And you kind of just like, no, you don't really forget, but you don't really feel any more. You feel better about yourself. So every time I would post a picture, I'd feel so relieved and so good.

2 (1h 21m 58s):

Like I put it out to the world, you know, no one wants to listen to me, but it's out there. If anyone wants to listen to. And I started, I started to grow a fucking coal audience, like super specific fucking it's a super specific thing. Like I, my goal was to make people not lonely anymore. Like, Hey, you want to talk to me to talk to me? You know, I would have 3:00 AM conversations and it had to go to work at like five or six, like seven or eight talking to these people are like, yo bro, I'm going to kill myself to feel like all this type of stuff. It's like, Hey dude, like I know what you're going through a, but you got to put it through, you feel me, like you're only 17, you're 20, you got your life ahead of you. You know, like to the pressing kids, talking to each other, you know, like all that type of stuff.

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And I never did it from money or attention. I just did it cause, cause whatever. And I just talked to these kids, you know, and there's a lot of kids out there who don't have like people to talk to, you know, their neighbors or moms or parents, the mom and dad, like even her dog probably just walks away from them, you know? And it's just like, it's sad. Cause like these kids like could have been the next big thing or had, it's just like, it's sad dude. And I didn't want to do this. I don't want to be there either. So I just, I just did that for, you know, the kids who are like struggling the most and all that type of stuff. And also when I started mastering my craft, you know, I started implementing bandos into it because banjos, like I said in the beginning, so raw, they're just sometimes they're the sad and depressing.

2 (1h 23m 20s):

They're just alone, but just being alone and broken boom to things that I relate to. And I think a lot of people can relate to also. And it's just like why I could just put something on literal and I put something metaphorical and pull them together and just to be like, Hey, this is like, what I feel. This is what happened to me probably last week. Here's a text message. His abando I probably drove 30 minutes to it and wow. I was taking this picture. I was probably crying or I was probably like super fucking depressed. And like, like I just, I probably just like stood there after I just took that photo, like just trying to analyze what the fuck I'm going to do with my life. So, and then I just started, I started mastering it and then I started putting more moody effects on my grain.

2 (1h 24m 2s):

And it's even to this day, it's popping. Like I won't do it anymore as much, but there's still a cult following for sure. And I just put my Instagram out there able to like my Snapchat and all that. And sometimes man, sorry, 24 avenue. But sometimes on my Snapchat I would get like random snapshots back in like 2014. Like, Hey, I need you to fucking post on other one. I'm going to fucking kill you. I swear to God about people say that maybe like in a joking way, but like no LOL, no nothing. It's just like, I need another one I'm going to kill you. And I was just like, I can't work like this, you know? And I kind of just like shy away from that, but I've had a lot of people like, Hey, what's the next one? What's the next one to, I ended up making a book cause my friend was like, Hey, you know, you could sell these.

2 (1h 24m 44s):

And I was like, I don't need money. How my parents, you know, but I remember my parents wouldn't really pay for anything. So I was like, all right, like, cool. Let's do it. I made a book. I mean 30 pages. And I made like $800 off the shelf. Think I'm like 18, 19. So that's kind of a lot of money, huge

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Coming off a school coming outta high school

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And then to cool. And I was, I'm just gonna say it, this money from the next one, I'm going to lie. I don't lie about that one. I kind of lied. I didn't know. Really. And then, so I met the second one and third one and there's people who, man, I don't even know any more. Like I was so grateful. The first book I released it, I ended up just giving random stuff out with it. I was like, yeah, you want to dream catcher. If I could have a dream catcher, you want some crayons? You want to do a dinosaur or put down on the bucket. I just send to cool on different. I write notes. I write notes too. And I'm like, even in the book, but like, like on a piece of paper, like, Hey, thank you so much. By the way, I'm at a, Norm's at 5 45 in the morning. Right. And this shit, you know, I don't know what to say, but like thank you.

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And I do that to all my books to, and I can keep going about this really it's a lot on my mind because I don't really talk about his, like I said, I couldn't talk about this type of stuff with anyone. This isn't my first podcast to, so I did all that for the, for the lonely people and people who just needed to like really think like, you know, you're not really alone. I've been through it to me. And you've probably been, do worse than I have or I, it, it's not a competition. Like we I've got to be here for each other. Cause if we're not on, who's really here. Where's the love at, you know, like life's not just about making money and having nice cars and cars. Cause we were around that life a lot, you know, it's empty. Like something, they come home from like the little pumps shoot.

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And I'm like, what the fuck was that? Like, I can't do that lifestyle. You know? Like what people need is connection and love the most. So that's what I do. And I still sell the books here and there and I'm working on my new one now it's on my laptop. So yeah. So nostalgic texts came from my ex and it's funny cause I talked to her stone and I told her, you know, like if I never broke up with you, like I wouldn't be here like maybe alive or maybe I'd just be some fucking normal kid with no interest in photography and art, you know? So I still think, I still think her to this day, like, you know, it's this trippy like the way my life turned for the, for the best, I guess I could say.

2 (1h 27m 2s):

I dunno. Well that was, that was a lot. I don't talk. I've never taught, I never done podcasts and talked about this shit. Really? Usually it's just like documentaries and it's just like, okay, 30 minutes done. I'm like, okay, cool.

1 (1h 27m 15s):

Well, Hey, thank you for opening up and sharing the people. I know this it's super cool for me to also get to know you more on a personal level, this podcast, which I think is super rad.

2 (1h 27m 27s):

I think people are gonna listen to this and then they're gonna text me like, oh my God, I didn't know. Like, dude, I just, I did like a hundred text messages. What are you talking about? Like fucking screaming for help here. You know like, Hey, this is what it is. And if I do talk to you like during the morning or you hit check on me to check on you, you know, just talking to me man. Cause we got some stuff to sort out and stuff like that. Talk about for sure. All right. Well

1 (1h 27m 51s):

Where can people find you and where can they pick up a copy of one of your books? The city I live in his napkin in

2 (1h 27m 58s):

My PO box drop a pen. Okay. From the, from the ICU or whatever. But my Instagram do I change my Instagram handle a lot, but it was Chamo Hey Chamo it's Djamel now it's Chamo is

1 (1h 28m 12s):

So this is my favorite. Yeah. I

2 (1h 28m 14s):

Just want to know. I just want Giamo bit, some guy in Cambodia has it. He's not having it. So

1 (1h 28m 18s):

It's just okay. I'm trying to get just the letter. K and the girl won't follow me back so I can ask her to just the little kids just to let

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Her go away. God, that's the worst. Like I'll pay you,

1 (1h 28m 28s):

Pay you. Right? I literally would pay I'll pay

2 (1h 28m 30s):

Like books, like Tom off. You're listen to this. Fuck you. They like, so my Instagram, his Tom was dead. My S my Twitter is killed slob. I want to say don't ask why. I just liked the word killed slob. Snapchat. I don't know. I don't, I don't really, that's like more like personal, I guess, if you want to follow my personal it's hate. Chamo have a YouTube it's small garage, Josh and I do it. Josh. Josh, we just have to do it today. No, today, yesterday this yesterday. And I think that's it. Yeah, I think that's it. We're going to get the books. Fuck. They're all sold out, dude.

2 (1h 29m 11s):

Thank God they're sold out, dude. I have people like, Hey, can I have a vegan, like do, to add, so it's been sold out for months, dude. I'm sorry. I only make like 30 coffees, but the new one is going to probably come out to this year around tax return day is going to be cheaper. Like 20 bucks is going to be a new thing. So I'm going to work on that. I've got like five more. So it's more to do and yeah, I think that's it. Congrats on your book too. I want to say I saw the bug before anyone else. And it's my favorite part is the 360 his restaurant, which Portugal? Portugal. Sick to super cool.

2 (1h 29m 51s):

This super sick. All right. Yeah. Cool.

1 (1h 29m 54s):

So that was my friend Chamo is dead. Thank you for coming on the No Tracers podcast and sharing your stories and your insights with everybody here. Like I said, this was an episode of my Other Podcast, Project Freelance, which is all about freelancing. So if you would like to check that out, you can absolutely do that. I'll put a link in the description for you. It is also a guest based podcast. So you guys can enjoy that. So have you made it to the end of this episode? I do need to say a quick, thank you from our partner liquid death water. If you've never heard of liquid death water, don't worry. I've got an ad for you coming in 3, 2, 1

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